How to Identify Fake Vintage Jewelry! - Episode #57

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[00:00:54] Alright, Leslie, welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:58] Thank you!

[00:00:59] I'm so happy you're here and I am so really ready to get started, you know, talking about what we're going to talk about today because we are going to cover how to really recognize authentic pieces of jewelry.

[00:01:13] And I have been a subscriber of your channel for a while and you recently did a video and I said, oh my gosh, I have to get her on the podcast so she can share her experience.

[00:01:24] So before we dive into that though, I do want you to introduce yourself and let us know how you got started in your amazing Jewelry journey.

[00:01:34] Okay, my name is Leslie Kirkowski.

[00:01:37] I have Black Dog vintage and I have been selling and reselling vintage and pretty much everything.

[00:01:47] I mean, I started off on eBay 20, hmm 26 almost 27 years ago.

[00:01:55] I'm not.

[00:01:56] And I started off selling bini babies, like everybody else.

[00:02:02] I remember when eBay was people would send you checks and uploading photos with a little mini discs in your camera.

[00:02:14] I mean, I did all of that.

[00:02:17] And yeah, I sold everything but my main focus always was vintage stuff.

[00:02:24] I've been into vintage ever since I was a teenager and vintage jewelry and you know clothing and everything.

[00:02:33] And also luxury items.

[00:02:37] And I've been on and off full time.

[00:02:40] I probably, I did full time for probably about four years when my kids were little and I was newly divorced so I could stay home with them.

[00:02:49] And then I went full time again in March of 2023 and then I've been full time ever since.

[00:02:58] I love it.

[00:02:59] I started my YouTube channel right around then as well and I started live selling in on YouTube.

[00:03:08] I went from what not to YouTube live selling in July.

[00:03:14] I believe of last year.

[00:03:16] Oh, wow.

[00:03:17] Okay.

[00:03:18] So we'll have to talk about that too because I love live selling and that is pretty much the only way I'm selling

[00:03:24] my jewelry nowadays.

[00:03:25] I sell on whatnot and posh mark and district but I've been nervous to kind of make that jump to doing live sales on YouTube even though a few people have asked me.

[00:03:37] So we're going to have to talk about that too.

[00:03:39] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:03:40] Yeah, I love it.

[00:03:42] It's been so much better than any other platform for me.

[00:03:46] Really, really.

[00:03:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:03:48] Oh, okay.

[00:03:49] Okay.

[00:03:50] All right.

[00:03:51] So I'm not sure exactly where you want to start as it relates to really getting in to how to learn to recognize authentic jewelry pieces, especially for some of us who may not have been doing this that long or maybe you know people who are still learning, you know, maybe they've done it a while but they just don't know.

[00:04:12] So what are some, I guess, beginner things that we need to think about or really consider when we're trying to figure out if a piece is authentic.

[00:04:22] Sure.

[00:04:23] I first started, I guess, learning or finding out about misinformation in the jewelry world when I was doing first doing live sales and first on whatnot.

[00:04:41] Of course.

[00:04:42] Right.

[00:04:43] And then I would see things being misrepresented a lot and things being called, you know, or, oh, it's in 1930s, 1940s or wore a borealis bracelet or, you know, that type of thing and that is not possible.

[00:05:00] And then I would see things that were normally not marked and it being called a Giuliana or unmarked rare house goal and then I would do research and find out, okay, that's not.

[00:05:12] I had something sold to me as a Giuliana before I got to know Giuliana and then I resold it as a Giuliana and got called out on it and was incredibly embarrassed by it.

[00:05:27] And that, that's really at that point. That's what sent me on the journey later on I received a big huge jewelry lot.

[00:05:36] I'm a voice collector as well as I love reselling white jewelry and.

[00:05:44] I got a piece and I was like, oh, this doesn't look quite right.

[00:05:48] And I deep I did a deep dive into voice and then I realized it's one of the most.

[00:05:57] Conor fitted jewelry vintage jewelry next to Traffari and okay that's when I was like, oh my gosh, let me learn more and.

[00:06:12] Now I mean, I can spot a white counterfeit a mile away.

[00:06:18] And then Eisenberg is highly counterfitted that's a hard one to recognize and Traffari is almost impossible unless you really, really know what you're looking for.

[00:06:30] Yeah, it's it's getting bad and then recently, you know when you start following the trends in counterfeit jewelry and how counterfeit vintage jewelry and seeing.

[00:06:43] The things that are happening right now that it's become such a exploded explosive trend to find vintage to collect vintage that type of thing.

[00:06:55] It's amazing what is out there and what's being counterfitted and it's more than just the luxury jewelry lines.

[00:07:04] I mean, counterfeit luxury is always been out there, you know, counterfeit Tiffany counterfits Chanel counterfeit Gucci all of that that's always been out there all of that type of counterfeit jewelry has been out there for years but now they're getting into the.

[00:07:20] The highly collectable vintage.

[00:07:23] I mean, I've seen counterfeit.

[00:07:26] Schreiner, I mean, I've seen counterfeit.

[00:07:29] I mean, we'll see a counterfeit scaper early in a minute, but it's yeah, it's out there, it's prevalent and if you don't know what you're looking for, if you're not very into vintage, if you don't know vintage very well, it's very hard to spot.

[00:07:46] Yeah, because I remember there was something I want to say sometime last year where somebody was selling Miriam Haskell tags like just the tags for people to put on the counterfeit pieces, you know, and so it's really easy.

[00:08:04] I guess for someone to.

[00:08:07] Make their own version of something and call it an authentic like you said, Miriam Haskell, I as in Berg whatever, because they're actually selling the stuff to make your fake stuff look real.

[00:08:19] Yeah, Miriam Haskell was shut down by the.

[00:08:26] Owners of the company several years ago, and they found a warehouse full of the findings, the hang tags, the, you know, the class, all of that.

[00:08:38] And that was all liquidated and a lot of it was liquidated on eBay on other types of platforms.

[00:08:47] Yeah, and I had a little screenshot in my video of a bag of the findings being sold in that went.

[00:08:55] It was ungodly. I can't remember the exact number now, but it was like over $6,000, I think, and you know, a lot of times.

[00:09:03] I mean, it could be sent out to Japan or China or those types of countries that a lot of unfortunately a lot of these counterfeits are coming from India.

[00:09:16] Oh, really, wow. Yeah, because I've seen those on eBay and sometimes they're selling these pieces that if they were authentic would probably be worth hundreds or thousands of dollars.

[00:09:26] But then you're see you see it on eBay and they're selling it for, you know, 50 dollars or 29 dollars. And you're like, how is that price?

[00:09:36] You know, and people are like jumping on it. They're like, oh, let a great deal and they're jumping right.

[00:09:42] You're reselling it. Triple the price. And they don't know. And that's where the problem comes in.

[00:09:52] Okay, so you recently did a video and this is why I wanted to connect with you because your video was so eye opening and it was so informative.

[00:10:00] And I said, I really want to get this information out to as many people as possible because I know all of us are in this to make money and we're not trying to lose money.

[00:10:10] And we're not intentionally trying to scam anybody either. You know, we're doing the best we can.

[00:10:16] Right. So I think, you know, videos like yours and you just being so willing and, you know, generous to share your knowledge with us is really going to go a long way.

[00:10:27] I think in this community and helping us all to learn how to recognize these fakes. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:10:34] I mean, it's very, I really hope that and the one thing I always want to encourage, you know, I don't ever want to discourage anybody from reselling or reselling vintage or anything like that.

[00:10:47] I just want, you know, people to try to do their research or try to do their homework or, you know, if you in really there's nothing wrong with not knowing.

[00:11:01] Right. And if you don't know you don't know and it's okay to admit that and it's okay to say, you know, in a, you know, in a, you know,

[00:11:14] listing, let's say it's an unmarked piece. You know, you could say question mark Julianna question mark Eisenberg question mark. Yeah, no, Schreiner.

[00:11:26] It's okay to say that because the people who are looking for those pieces will know if it's that or not. So you're still going to get the prices.

[00:11:40] Yeah, you know, and not everything is marked to. So I think that that trips a lot of people up because they just figure well there's no marking on it. So it either is or it isn't.

[00:11:51] Exactly.

[00:11:52] So I think that's that's the problem too is sometimes we have to learn pieces that could not be marked. It doesn't necessarily mean it's fake but that doesn't necessarily mean it's real either exactly.

[00:12:04] And you do have to do a little bit of due diligence to and knowing what's on new piece and what's a vintage piece because I do see a lot of pieces that are represented as vintage when you know that they're new.

[00:12:17] You can go out on websites like Timo, LA Express, DH gate all of those and my pieces that are beautiful.

[00:12:31] I mean, they are their gorgeous pieces and they are they're not badly made.

[00:12:36] But they're new and you can't represent those as vintage right but you can also go out there and buy pieces that are that look just like an upper and high and piece like a Heidi Douse.

[00:12:53] They look exactly like it. You know, I saw a piece that was it looked just like a van cleave and it was called a van clover.

[00:13:05] Oh yes, yes, and I think that's one of the pictures you're going to share with us so it was a screenshot so I call yeah.

[00:13:15] Yeah, it was yeah it was it was and that was on DH gate and it was it's called a van clover and it looks just like the real thing and you know from a distance nobody's going to know but it was like $3.

[00:13:29] And you know it's just it's frustrating it's frustrating because.

[00:13:36] You know somebody's probably going to try to sell it at least you know sell it close to you know being the real thing or you know try to be this representative in some way.

[00:13:49] Yeah, well, you know especially things like the Heidi Douse look like so you know those types of things those are the ones that are scary.

[00:13:59] Yeah, you know it's funny and in a kind of related not related topic. A friend of mine works at the Louis Vuitton store here in Las Vegas and because of the potential for theft.

[00:14:14] She told me I don't even know if I should be sharing this but I'm gonna she told me that the bags that are on display in the windows are actually fakes because that way of somebody tries to like.

[00:14:28] And then the stores snatch a bag and run out they're not going to be out and she said a lot of times they do that with the jewelry too like in the display.

[00:14:37] It'll be.

[00:14:39] Not the real thing and that's why they say okay let me go in the back and get you you know yeah because what's out there is actually a fake or replica whatever you want to call it.

[00:14:52] And I thought that was so interesting now. I don't know if that's how all these high-end luxury stores do this.

[00:14:58] I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, and so you got to think well where does where do those pieces go? You know those replicas like when they're at a season or sold out or whatever.

[00:15:09] So I guess like you said it's really just about being aware and really being educated as to some of these fake pieces that are floating around.

[00:15:20] I mean not that that's what we're trying to do but just being more kind of discerning you know when you when you look at these pieces and then where you're buying them from.

[00:15:32] You know the pricing and all these other things and the seller you know reputation all these things that are really important when we're trying to figure out is this piece real or is it not right.

[00:15:43] And in certain aspects like in certain items I mean I sold a lot of luxury bags and I sell you know the vintage jewelry and in some cases and some types of bags and then definitely in the vintage jewelry.

[00:16:01] It operates like almost like an investment because you can market fluctuates and people will definitely look and I monitor this.

[00:16:16] I mean I'm such a nerd.

[00:16:19] And I've been doing this for such a long time that I see this.

[00:16:23] But I actually I actually stopped doing luxury bags unless it's certain types of bags because people really weren't buying them as much they really cared even though they didn't really care they would buy a lot of them would buy.

[00:16:40] The fake bags and they didn't really care so I don't do luxury handbags that often anymore unless I really come across something that I know is probably going to increase in value.

[00:16:55] But with vintage jewelry that is something that.

[00:17:01] Will almost always increase if you can catch it at the right market fluctuation.

[00:17:10] Things you know and so that's where I really worry that this is going to affect things because.

[00:17:22] You know I see that right now prices are dipping in a lot of vintage pieces of a lot of trafari's gone down a little bit.

[00:17:33] You know a lot of white says gone down a little bit certain types of jewelry has gone down a little bit and prices this is a good time to buy vintage jewelry because the market's going to go up again.

[00:17:44] I feel like I'm talking about stocks but the market's going to go up again and.

[00:17:50] But when you start seeing things being flooded.

[00:17:54] I'll just want to think oh I have this great piece and then you're going to look at trying to resell it later and you're going to find out it's it's counterfeit and that's.

[00:18:07] All right so I guess that's a good segue into our next I guess portion of looking at some of the samples or listings that you found.

[00:18:18] Sharing that and then us kind of being able to learn and get an idea of you know.

[00:18:25] How to decipher some of these listings and what to look for.

[00:18:29] Yeah absolutely absolutely so the first piece will look at as.

[00:18:36] And for those of you listening to the audio version of the podcast while Leslie is getting.

[00:18:42] The tabs open.

[00:18:44] What you want to do is head on over to the YouTube channel so you can see what she's sharing on the screen so that way you can learn how to recognize some of these you know characteristics of the fake and the real pieces.

[00:18:57] All right so if you're listening on Spotify make sure you can head on over to YouTube so you can see what she's sharing.

[00:19:04] So I'm sharing right now an eBay listing actually it's ending right now it's actually in.

[00:19:11] And looks like it's an an auction but this is an eBay listing this is a vintage scapper really set this is.

[00:19:18] Is it authentic set yeah this is a gorgeous set this is authentic and you can see the detail in the watermelon crystals how the flowers are set.

[00:19:33] This is actually a whole you know necklace earrings and ringset but.

[00:19:41] If we look at the signature this is a signature that was done back in the 50s they did recently bring this signature back in some of the new jewelry but.

[00:19:55] That's another whole thing but this is a signature that was done back in the 1950s.

[00:20:04] And you can easily if you're looking at jewelry there are websites you can go to there are places I mean you can Google it even look and see when this signature you know look up and say okay.

[00:20:19] Let me verify that this signature is correct okay so.

[00:20:25] And if I'm I'm going to go now to the next.

[00:20:34] I'm going to go now to the next item and I'm going to show you the same the same necklace and it is.

[00:20:48] I'm going to be.

[00:20:51] The.

[00:20:52] I believe it's this one this is the next necklace this is this what's supposed to be the same necklace you can see it's very different in construction and you can see that the.

[00:21:05] The filigree around the watermelon crystals is quite different yeah.

[00:21:11] It's it actually doesn't look like it is as well constructed.

[00:21:17] But the big difference is if you look at this signature it's not as detailed.

[00:21:26] It almost looks like somebody drummeled it.

[00:21:30] And you know it just it's not the right.

[00:21:36] Fond so to say as the other one so this is unfortunately a counterfeit it's a decent counterfeit it's still a beautiful necklace.

[00:21:50] But it is not.

[00:21:53] A real scaparelli unfortunately.

[00:21:56] Scipper really didn't put a signature on any other necklaces like this okay so unfortunately that is a.

[00:22:07] That is a counterfeit so that is.

[00:22:13] Set so.

[00:22:16] You know and I'm sure the person that's selling it does not know that.

[00:22:20] I don't feel that a lot of these people know that they're selling a counterfeit piece right.

[00:22:26] Really you know it's one of those things where you see a piece when you're shopping when you're sourcing and you're like oh my god I've got this.

[00:22:35] I mean I see it in whole videos a lot I see it in.

[00:22:40] You know I see it when I am watching other lives I've see it on whatnot I see it in you know I see it when I'm at a state sales and somebody's like oh my gosh I've got the look at these Chanel earrings and.

[00:22:55] I've seen that.

[00:22:56] I'm like oh honey those aren't Chanel.

[00:22:59] Like you know what I mean I mean a lot of times the estate tell people don't even know you know I mean I was at it in the state sale and this woman was going on and on about how this.

[00:23:09] necklace was diamonds and the aqua marine and I'm like.

[00:23:15] I don't think so and luckily the lady that was buying it I helped her with something else and then she pulled me aside and she's like do you have a business.

[00:23:24] And I said yeah and I gave her my card and she messaged me and in that conversation I'm like can you give me a favor and take that necklace that you bought that diamond and I just take that to a jeweler.

[00:23:36] She did and she found out it was all costume and she's really.

[00:23:41] Oh gosh my heart just thank for her.

[00:23:46] Yeah she luckily they say so people were cool about it and let her return it but you just don't you know people don't know sometimes and they think they do I really don't feel that it's.

[00:24:00] I really don't feel like in most situations that it's intentional.

[00:24:04] Yeah I think I think a lot of is just people like you said just don't know and then because they either get so sorry I thinking they have the real thing that they don't bother to research it any further they just say oh it says sheper alien it so okay yeah let's do it.

[00:24:23] Like the money right exactly now I do feel that there are people that will buy things on like team who or DH gate or something like that and will sell those I do feel that those people are out there.

[00:24:36] But in a lot of these situations I don't feel that it's intentional so.

[00:24:42] Yeah well we'll get people to benefit of the doubt exactly I still believe in humanity so.

[00:24:52] You know.

[00:24:53] All right was there anything else you wanted to share or yeah let's look at you know, white says really I feel white says in easy one to recognize and so my favorite friend they makes it beautiful stuff beautiful and white says I collect whites and so like I said that's it's.

[00:25:15] pretty easy and you have to remember that a lot of these.

[00:25:21] These companies back in the 50s and 60s they did rodey and plating or their backs were very smooth and they didn't do these really rough textured backs at least a lot of times not until though the 60s did you see like a texture and then even a lot of these companies like whites or ice and brick rarely if ever.

[00:25:44] You know, I think if ever used it and so.

[00:25:48] Ice might might have used it once no while on their Christmas trees but that's it that's the only time I've ever seen ways to use it.

[00:25:58] But never on their butterflies.

[00:26:01] So okay okay that's good to know yeah I mean I there's always a chance on wrong I will say that but I've yet to ever see it on a butterfly.

[00:26:12] And so let's take a look at this.

[00:26:17] Alright let's go to room doing this right.

[00:26:21] You're doing great okay thank you okay so this one here is a very poorly done.

[00:26:29] Weiss Japan gold okay one Japan is never gold but we will we'll give this person.

[00:26:37] Is that even how you spell that.

[00:26:41] I don't think so but Japan is always black so.

[00:26:47] Yeah and this is this is just a poor poor.

[00:26:54] This is just bad so and you know I'm sorry they're selling it for 175 but you know hey maybe somebody maybe they'll get lucky.

[00:27:03] But so this is just very poorly done this is just a poorly done weiss kind of it.

[00:27:11] I've seen better but this is you know very textured you can see that the stones are most definitely.

[00:27:23] Gold in and not even trying to do any type of prong.

[00:27:30] You know what else I noticed is on the photo it looks like it's been enhanced or filtered in some way.

[00:27:39] Yeah you look at the hand.

[00:27:42] That looks off.

[00:27:44] So first.

[00:27:46] So it looks like the photo has been enhanced or Photoshop or something exactly like and then here's it it's darker.

[00:27:53] I mean yeah this one is I mean the rhinestone stone even look very brilliant.

[00:28:01] And this one like they're trying to make them look more brilliant.

[00:28:06] Unfortunately the back is very poorly photographed.

[00:28:12] But here we go here's the waist emblem in this one but look at how textured this back is I mean it is very obviously this is a.

[00:28:23] This is counterfeit it's with this texture and with this signature how waist is.

[00:28:30] Yeah it's very sloppy it's very it's very look at the space between the W and the E that was never done like that.

[00:28:37] And then also how these how the ass and the ass are like smashed in the ass here almost like it almost goes right into.

[00:28:50] If you can see that kind of like smashes into the bottom yeah it's just very poorly poorly constructed.

[00:29:00] And it doesn't even look right so.

[00:29:03] And it doesn't look right in the middle here's another angle but it just yeah it just doesn't it's not it's not a well done counterfeit at all even so.

[00:29:14] Yeah this is definitely a buyer be where.

[00:29:18] I mean.

[00:29:21] I yeah and pre on an excellent well yeah of course it's excellent because probably nobody ever used it before.

[00:29:29] And it's great from the from the factory exactly I mean it's like wow okay I mean it's that's a scary one you know that's a very one and that is so obviously counterfeit.

[00:29:44] And let's take a look at a real nice okay and that is this one.

[00:29:53] And this is this is a beautiful one oh that is breathtakingly stunning yeah so this is beautiful.

[00:30:03] Right around the same price point and you can see see how these are prong set yes okay so this is just a beautiful piece.

[00:30:13] A beautiful piece.

[00:30:15] I don't know that I've ever seen it not prong set.

[00:30:21] And that is another angle here we go but let's look at the back so there's the back of it now here is the emblem right here it's hard to see but that's your waist signature right there I wish they would have got another angle of it but that's okay but see how it's smooth in the back it's right.

[00:30:40] And this is just a it's beautiful and then you have some open back stones.

[00:30:46] So that is a real voice butterfly and that is true that even when the pictures aren't that great of a real piece it still looks amazing you know like it it's still yeah like you can see.

[00:31:02] And how brilliant the stones are and how well made the pieces exactly exactly so it's that's where we're looking at you know the big big difference between the two so.

[00:31:17] You have to really be careful and you know if you're unsure.

[00:31:23] You know of a piece there are people that are out there that are able to help I mean you know I've had people I mean I have a lot of viewers on my channel.

[00:31:35] You have reached out to me and said do you think this is real do you think this is you know.

[00:31:42] You know is this really a jelly Anna is this do you think this is what do you think this really is a wise do you really think this is an ice invert you know and I'm more than you know I've always been more than happy to weigh in before they purchase something on eBay or whatever.

[00:31:58] I don't you know I don't expect everybody you know purchase for me but you know I mean I don't want anybody to get.

[00:32:06] You know a piece that's not really represented as what it is right right so.

[00:32:15] But I'm sure you know my thing is buy from somebody you trust and if you have if you think it's good to go to be true it probably is right you know and anything.

[00:32:33] If you think it's too good to be true it probably is and you know honestly it's.

[00:32:39] Yeah you just have to be careful out there you know there's a lot there's just a lot that's just.

[00:32:46] You know if there's a lot flooding the market right now that's just not right and it's hard to tell with a lot of pieces like.

[00:32:55] Traffari's there's I mean DH gate right now is selling.

[00:33:01] Traffari fake traffari's really.

[00:33:07] And they're doing a good job with them to be honest.

[00:33:11] Oh gosh why wonder if Traffari well I guess they really can't because you know like how they make the fake Louis Vuitton and.

[00:33:18] And they can't really stop it.

[00:33:21] No and it's not called Traffari in their like catalog or online or whatever you have to come across it and it's some like some other really rare pieces it's like very scary.

[00:33:35] So because this is how I know a lot of us research we use Google lens right and so if we're taking like let's say we get a fake piece and a lot or whatever.

[00:33:45] And we take a picture and then we search we search it on Google lens there's a high chance that.

[00:33:55] Your fake piece might come up you know as something being sold like you said on alley express DH gate whatever.

[00:34:02] So I guess we just have to really.

[00:34:05] Really be careful when we're researching because I know me I probably would have been like okay this is a real Traffari piece just not knowing well I don't know because I know Traffari really.

[00:34:15] I know Traffari really well and I could probably pick out the quality and the craftsmanship.

[00:34:20] It's it's a lot of times you have to like really go through what I will do if I'm unsure of a piece go through several photos not just one or two go through a lot.

[00:34:36] And start to notice if like your if especially if it's an old piece.

[00:34:43] If you're all of your stamps are in the right spot if they're in different spots if you're in different spots then you know one of them speak.

[00:34:54] Right if there.

[00:34:56] If one has a crown and the other one doesn't that's wrong if it's an old piece and it says patent pending and the other one doesn't say patent pending or if they're in two different spots where it says patent pending.

[00:35:09] That's a problem I've seen those types of mistakes in the Traffari's where.

[00:35:15] The placement of the stamps are on all different spots yeah there was a hanging monkey brooch where I caught somebody selling it on Facebook marketplace of all places should try and sell it for eight thousand dollars eight thousand.

[00:35:36] And it was and it was a fake.

[00:35:39] And I actually that one I actually called that person out on it.

[00:35:46] Because she had posted it in a Traffari group that I'm in and she was questioning whether or not she was asking the right price because there was one on first dibs right around the same price.

[00:36:00] And I think a lot of people were saying oh well first dibs is a little high you know I think you're probably gonna sit on it forever at eight thousand.

[00:36:10] And I'm looking at it and I'm like there's something not right about that one and so I because I go down these rabbit holes and I was doing that whole sleuth thing and I found.

[00:36:24] The spots where it should be and then I went into like I found the patent on it.

[00:36:32] From way back when and you can see where some of the.

[00:36:37] The actual stamp should be and I messaged her privately and said hey I actually think this might be counterfeit because your stamps are on the wrong spots.

[00:36:52] And she never applied to me I got blocked.

[00:36:57] And I got kicked out of the group.

[00:37:00] Really? Yeah, I got kicked out of the group and then I found the piece on Marketplace again because I think it's because it's Marketplace I can find it and that back picture was actually replaced by a one that had been on eBay.

[00:37:20] So I bet then she knew it was not real.

[00:37:23] That's my feeling. I don't know.

[00:37:26] So I mean buyer beware.

[00:37:29] As always what I say buyer beware because you just never know there's um there's a lot of stories out there.

[00:37:37] I'm in a few different basic groups there's a counterfeit group counterfeit jewelry group out on Facebook that I'm part of and that's a really good spot.

[00:37:49] That you can kind of get a heads up of pieces and heads up on where people have seen counterfeit jewelry counterfeit vintage.

[00:37:57] It's also counterfeit coins and other things too but you know you can get an idea of where there's a lot of counterfeit pieces being sold.

[00:38:06] Okay, so I'll have to find that group because that's not one that I'm in surprisingly.

[00:38:11] Yeah, I just happened to find it.

[00:38:14] Okay, I'll search or yeah you know the exact name. Maybe you can you know share the link with me later and I can put it in the in the description and in the show notes.

[00:38:24] Yeah, for sure. I will.

[00:38:26] Okay.

[00:38:27] And then I can put in like I've gone in there and put in like different names of type sugillary and all find you know where people have had problems and stuff.

[00:38:38] Okay, okay. That's good to know because I know for me what I do is because I wholeheartedly admit I don't know everything there is to know about every you know jewelry piece.

[00:38:50] But what I do is I'm like you I kind of deep dive like if I get something I will deep dive that one piece and sometimes it'll take me a few days sometimes it might take me a few weeks.

[00:39:00] So I think that's something we have to be willing to do is you know be willing to put in the time like you said and do your due diligence and and research it and you know you don't have to to list it right away if you're not 100% sure.

[00:39:15] No, that I really recommend that I really recommend.

[00:39:20] Don't rush into listing I know that there's things that people might want to flip early faster.

[00:39:26] You know and I get that because I want to do that, I mean you know this is my full time job and sometimes you're like oh you know I want to get this you know I need that fast flip but you could one be leaving money on the table.

[00:39:43] And you don't want to do that and you know if you don't do the deep dive you could be also selling something that you shouldn't be.

[00:39:55] So it's and also if you don't do the deep dive how are you going to learn right.

[00:40:02] You know I have learned so much in my years of doing this that you know I've forgotten things that I learned probably 10 years ago.

[00:40:13] And I mean like I you know after real learn things now you know because I might have learned something and then what was that again I forgot you know if to really.

[00:40:23] But yeah it's just it's important to constantly be like learning and finding out and doing all these things and you know I just you know I just got a couple pieces yesterday and I was you know I had to do a deep dive on those and learn about them and I learned about a whole.

[00:40:43] New kind of jewelry that I had never heard about you know so.

[00:40:49] Yeah I mean it wasn't counterfeit but you know it was you know it's just things that you you should be doing with everything you know exactly exactly the learning should be an ongoing continuous thing you know because there's always going to be something new to learn.

[00:41:06] And it's funny I say this all the time the more I learn about something the more I realize how much I don't know.

[00:41:12] Oh exactly.

[00:41:14] I mean like on my on my live sales I get comments all the time where you know I mean sometimes I go down these rabbit trails but you know I get comments all the time where people are like I've lost your life sales because you go like really far and depth about what this is or what that is or.

[00:41:32] And I'm like sorry but they're like no no we love that.

[00:41:36] Yes, they do they do because even in my in my live stream sometimes we'll start talking about something not about you know counterfeit jewelry but anything.

[00:41:46] Yeah and then they say oh I didn't know thank you so much for sharing or you know where can I find more info and.

[00:41:53] Yeah, so it's really a nice supportive community in that sense is that we're all anxious to learn more you know we're so hungry for the information yes yes.

[00:42:04] Yeah I think and I think the jewelry community in whole is like so supportive and so awesome especially like on YouTube it's.

[00:42:16] I that's where I found like my tribe my you know I finally found like my people you know I've been doing this for so long and it's you learn so much from each other and that's.

[00:42:28] Yeah, I'm honestly I can't say enough about where you that you can how much you can learn from YouTube alone yes yes we call it YouTube University yes exactly.

[00:42:41] Yep, yep. All right Leslie was there anything else that's you wanted to share as it relates to any you know screenshots or anything like that because I know you had a few.

[00:42:54] I would say that you know for like extra you know to bits or whatever definitely refer back to the video that's on my channel yes and I'm going to link that I'm going to link.

[00:43:03] Leslie's channel and that specific video because it's it's packed full of stuff.

[00:43:09] I'm so I really want people to watch that because I want people to be informed I don't want any of us to waste our money or lose our money or end up buying stuff that is not what the seller said it was.

[00:43:23] Yeah, thank you and then I come out a lot with different videos like little deep dives into different things like I have one on Aurora borealis I have one on wedding cake beads that kind of stuff so you know.

[00:43:37] And that's the kind I mean I do a lot of like other types of content that's a little bit more you know regular but I try to do deep dives you know every so often where.

[00:43:48] You know to be helpful to help people like recognize certain things so you know I came with that I came from also a very heavy bead background so.

[00:43:59] I know like I can recognize Venetian beads moron will be it's different types of lamp or beads and all that I'm like the mass produced one so.

[00:44:09] I have like information on all that too so oh that's great that's great.

[00:44:15] All right well I do want to chat really quickly before I let you go about you know your live selling on YouTube so let's talk a little bit about that because like I said.

[00:44:26] I'm so nervous to give it a try and I don't know why.

[00:44:30] Oh, just just don't just dating to me.

[00:44:33] Yeah, no it's honestly it's the it's the same if not better than whatnot whatnot when I was on whatnot.

[00:44:42] I had to work so much harder than I do on YouTube and it's.

[00:44:52] There's so much it's so much more of a supportive community on YouTube YouTube is you'll find more people that are collectors and more people that are.

[00:45:06] You know they're to find jewelry for themselves rather than resellers selling to resellers which is right I found on what not.

[00:45:16] Yes, yes, so every what I'm looking for a deal.

[00:45:20] Right, right.

[00:45:21] I only want to pay so much.

[00:45:24] But on YouTube people are usually buying for themselves.

[00:45:30] They appreciate the value of items and they also know there more almost more educated on jewelry and they know the names they know what things are they know.

[00:45:46] They appreciate things like toys and they they appreciate things like like like Giuliana or.

[00:45:53] You know, a shrine or bro sure or you know certain types of you know be to jewelry or you know I think I saw I sold a vendom necklace for $400 once.

[00:46:07] I mean people and they really do get into the bidding and all of that it's I mean it's very.

[00:46:15] It's it's great and I I have you know sometimes 50 60 or more people on a live in on YouTube where I was sometimes scrambling to get like 20 or 30 on whatnot and then.

[00:46:34] I mean, I was having to do five to seven sales a week on whatnot and I can do two sales a week in on YouTube and YouTube is probably 80% of my income.

[00:46:56] Really.

[00:46:59] So how do you because from what I've seen from the other ladies that do it.

[00:47:05] You have your buyers pre register is that how you do it.

[00:47:09] Yeah, so I some people use what's called a job form some people that's what I've seen.

[00:47:15] Yeah, some people just have them email which I think that's really hard to like keep up with.

[00:47:20] I you know I can't grow corporate background.

[00:47:24] So everything I do is you know Google forms or that type you know I'm like a Google with kind of you know I do everything with Google.

[00:47:33] So I set up a Google you know like a Google form so they can just type in everything and then submit it and then it goes straight to a spreadsheet for me.

[00:47:47] And then it all is organized that way for me and then I invoice be a PayPal and then you know when they fill in their form their Google form.

[00:48:00] There's an agreement that they make where they know that they need to pay within 24 hours and.

[00:48:09] And once they you know and they have to agree to that and so they get they get invoice and then they pay and then it's a ship.

[00:48:17] I do things like free shipping.

[00:48:19] I also have channel memberships where.

[00:48:23] You know for certain amounts per month they get certain perks so I do haul videos a few haul videos a week.

[00:48:32] And then my members can actually buy at pre sale where other people would have to wait for the live sales.

[00:48:40] My members can buy a pre sale certain levels members will get discounts off of all their purchases.

[00:48:49] And then yeah and then I mean it's it's great I mean I absolutely YouTube's going to game changer for me.

[00:48:59] I was terrified I wanted to start a YouTube channel for so long.

[00:49:03] I was terrified.

[00:49:05] Yeah.

[00:49:06] My kids were like I have two boys they're older and they were like yeah right you're never going to be able to do it you're never going to make it you're never you know and I'm almost so close to 2000 subscribers.

[00:49:20] And my goal was to get it by my birthday and I I'm not I didn't I mean at my birthday tomorrow but I don't think I'm going to get there.

[00:49:31] I'm like well happy early birthday so everyone subscribe to Leslie's channel.

[00:49:36] That would be great.

[00:49:38] That would be great.

[00:49:39] I mean yeah.

[00:49:41] We can get a lot of it.

[00:49:44] I love it.

[00:49:45] I mean it's been very successful and it's growing steadily and it's so much fun to do.

[00:49:51] I'm doing the thrift with me is love doing the halls and my my life it's like my people on my lives they're my tribe they're my friends you know.

[00:50:02] So yes, I totally get that because I feel the same way with people who because I have a lot of regulars that come into my lives and they've really become friends you know there's just an amazing amazing people you know just.

[00:50:14] So supportive and oh that was the question I wanted to ask so when someone pre registers for your show.

[00:50:24] Do you do like I've seen some people do you you give them a wrench so that way when they're bidding you know that they already pre registered.

[00:50:32] No, the wrenches for like moderators right right but I think some people make it.

[00:50:39] They make a moderators so that way they know this person is pre registered when they're running a live show.

[00:50:45] I wouldn't do that because that gives them a lot of power.

[00:50:49] Yes, it's a lot of people do like I'll give you that too.

[00:50:54] Yeah, I've been hearing people from your lives they can do a lot of stuff I wouldn't give them a wrench.

[00:50:59] I would just like if they're bidding I would just you know like for me I keep that tab open and like of my spreadsheet and I can just do like a control F and just look up their YouTube name and make sure that they're in my spreadsheet.

[00:51:15] So if somebody didn't register and they bid do you say oh Mary you need to pre register so your bid's not going to count do you say something like that.

[00:51:25] I'll say I'll let them bid and then when they if they win I'll just say hey if you I need you to make sure that you fill out my form.

[00:51:35] And then if I'll chuck it in the little while and then if they didn't then I'll just rerun the item.

[00:51:41] Oh, okay, okay yeah and normally people I rarely ever have an issue like rarely.

[00:51:48] Okay, I've been doing this for a while now and I mean it's really never been a problem.

[00:51:54] I rarely ever have somebody not pay I think I've had it maybe happened four times.

[00:51:59] Mm-hmm, ever.

[00:52:01] And never I mean really I now have to use moderators where to help me with like trolls that come in.

[00:52:13] Yeah, so good trolls come in once in a while that are really inappropriate.

[00:52:17] Yeah, which is everybody deals with that and mean it's actually kind of funny sometimes.

[00:52:24] Oh, we can.

[00:52:25] I've had my share yeah we you know but you know what I started doing and why I realized that YouTube was actually going to be better was I started.

[00:52:36] I started signing my what not shows on YouTube.

[00:52:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:42] Yeah and then I started realizing that my YouTube people were like no we don't like what not.

[00:52:48] We want you to come over here like please come over here and I had like one one not show where nobody was showing up at all.

[00:52:57] I mean I was just sitting in there going I was just running items but nobody was bidding.

[00:53:02] Nobody was like really like people were just coming in and leaving you know how that goes if you're on what not.

[00:53:08] Oh yeah, just like a lint and then leave and they don't even say hi and you're just like hello.

[00:53:14] But then I had YouTube up on a different and like my other I think I had it on my laptop or something.

[00:53:20] I was watching the people come in that YouTube and they were all sitting there and they're like hello hello.

[00:53:28] Can you come over like we want that but we don't like what not and I'm like alright so I shut down what not I'm like give me five minutes and I changed over and I went on to YouTube.

[00:53:42] And I didn't have streaming or a dead I didn't have anything like fancy and I just winged it.

[00:53:48] And then when it was so successful I think I did like I don't know that night I think I did like 600 dollars in sales.

[00:53:57] Wow, and then I was like alright I guess this is serious I guess this is what I need to do and I like hurry up and I like join stream yard and I like to make things easier because you know doing.

[00:54:10] A live with stream yard or you know some kind of streaming app.

[00:54:17] So much easier on YouTube and yeah and then I just went from there.

[00:54:23] Yeah, I love stream yard and some people even do live lives selling shows to like their Facebook page or live.

[00:54:34] Their Facebook group so people watching on Facebook can bid as well you know so they don't have to be on YouTube.

[00:54:42] So because the nice thing about stream yard is it lets you stream you know to multiple platforms so if you have somebody on Facebook that wants to bid.

[00:54:50] You know they have that they can do that too.

[00:54:53] Yeah, I have done that but.

[00:54:57] My Facebook group is really my YouTube like subscribers so it's kind of.

[00:55:02] Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah so I didn't I didn't keep that up so yeah I just do YouTube and it's great and how often do you do your live shows on YouTube.

[00:55:14] I do Wednesday nights is my like.

[00:55:19] I call it now my like intro sale to it's $10 in under starts because they do everything as an auction so it's $10 under starts.

[00:55:31] So it's all going to be like the things that are maybe more earrings bracelets smaller broaches that kind of thing.

[00:55:39] It's also vintage but it's just like the smaller items because a lot of times I'll have a lot of those usually it's an 8 PM Eastern start.

[00:55:51] And yeah like but you know today's Wednesday.

[00:55:56] I'm not sure when we're airing this but today is Wednesday so I'll have it tonight.

[00:56:01] I'm actually I have so much.

[00:56:04] I'm starting at 7 so once in a while I might change to start time.

[00:56:08] But then every Thursday night I have it at 7 PM Eastern and it's all vintage.

[00:56:15] A lot of it is extremely high end.

[00:56:18] And really beautiful pieces.

[00:56:22] A lot of rare pieces, a lot of antique pieces.

[00:56:27] Rarely do I have anything new but I'll do like some sterling I'll do some.

[00:56:33] Jumpstone type pieces but it's usually very vintage very antique and.

[00:56:40] Rare jewelry on Thursday nights.

[00:56:44] So yeah and I do both of those nights and then then I ship all weekend or usually by Monday if I'm sourcing all weekend so.

[00:56:56] Okay so you have inspired me to try it.

[00:56:59] I don't know if I'm going to try it this month because this month I've been doing daily shows on what not.

[00:57:04] I just decided to challenge myself to see if I could do it.

[00:57:08] But yeah you're right about what not you know sometimes it's like pulling teeth on there you know trying to.

[00:57:14] You know get people in your show and then and then like you said everybody wants everything for two dollars you know and and.

[00:57:22] And that's just not going to fly.

[00:57:25] It's cool time exactly it's it could yeah it was getting really frustrating on what not and I was just like I can't I can't.

[00:57:34] Yeah so I'm going to try it. I think I'm going to try it in June. I'm going to try and see if I can do a show on YouTube and I'm just going to see how it goes. I don't know if anybody will.

[00:57:44] Will show up but yeah it can't be any worse than what I'm already doing now.

[00:57:49] Yeah definitely do it are you going to do it off of this channel.

[00:57:52] I'll probably do it on my reselling channel, which is good great fabulous.

[00:57:57] Because that's my reselling channel but then this is the podcast channel and I'd like to keep it just podcast content on this one.

[00:58:05] Okay I'll definitely going to go over and make sure I make sure I'm already and then I'll make sure that I'll send a lot of my people over to.

[00:58:15] So oh gosh well maybe not for the first one because I might be nervous and I don't want to.

[00:58:20] It doesn't matter.

[00:58:23] You know everybody that's a one thing over here on YouTube if everybody's so supportive.

[00:58:28] Yeah that's true.

[00:58:30] That's a good family. That's a good family here.

[00:58:33] Well thank you so much Leslie it was an absolute pleasure chatting with you today and learning with you today.

[00:58:41] Is there anything else you want to share? Like do you have anything else coming up that you want to talk about or anything?

[00:58:51] Yeah no I say that you know just.

[00:58:57] I always say bye what you love sell what you love and then you're going to be successful.

[00:59:03] Yeah yeah I know we are getting ready for the I don't know if you go to any of the jewelry shows but the Las Vegas antique jewelry and watch show is.

[00:59:14] I'm so excited and I was wondering if you were going to go because I was going to say oh I'd love to meet up but.

[00:59:21] I would love to go and my brother lives out in Vegas so I if I would have known earlier about it I would have planned it but next year.

[00:59:32] Yeah well make sure you let me know because I actually interviewed the organizer of the show.

[00:59:40] She's amazing and it's just this is going to be my second year going and I'm so excited. I just can't wait and I don't really source there because it's.

[00:59:50] Way out of my price.

[00:59:52] Yeah but I go there to learn and to see all these pieces in person that I wouldn't probably not be able to see any other way.

[01:00:01] Oh that would be awesome yeah it's amazing it's amazing so yeah put it on your calendar for next year.

[01:00:08] I will I will and if I get up to Vegas I'll look yeah.

[01:00:11] Oh please please I would love that.

[01:00:14] I got family out there.

[01:00:15] Yes people need to go out there and do some sourcing so yeah I was going to say there's a lot of resellers out here too but there's.

[01:00:23] I don't know any other jewelry reseller other than me.

[01:00:26] Oh okay yeah I heard there's a good flea market out there.

[01:00:29] Yes yes I still have a source there but you just reminded me I might go this weekend.

[01:00:36] To it.

[01:00:37] Yes yes just to see before it gets too hot to be outside.

[01:00:41] Yeah exactly.

[01:00:44] All right you thank you thank you and again make sure you subscribe to Leslie on YouTube.

[01:00:51] Per channel is called Black Dog Vintage I will have a link in the show notes and in the description of this video if you are watching on YouTube.

[01:01:00] Thank you.

[01:01:01] Thanks Leslie.